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I did find this You Tube below from June 11, 2021 featuring Shao Ma on the 'Truth Be Told' show.
Stanton Friedman and Doris Day Will Have Been Gone for 3 Years on Friday the 13th of May 2022?
Is it Time for Sneaky Sound System to Change the Lyrics from UFO to UAP?-)